What will happen to the Robo-Taxi / Cyber-Cab if some or most of the cameras get blocked? answers from Grok

At first Grok gave me the generic answer about how it might work in general but I pressed on.

My point I was asking as a follow-up to the cameras being blocked for fsd. How will cyber cab/ robo taxi handle when they have cameras blocked. 

Apologies for missing the focus of your follow-up question! You’re asking specifically how the Tesla Cybercab (robotaxi) will handle situations where its cameras are blocked or obstructed, given that it relies entirely on a camera-based vision system for Full Self-Driving (FSD). Since the Cybercab is a purpose-built autonomous vehicle with no steering wheel or pedals, this is a critical issue. Based on Tesla’s current FSD behavior, official statements, and the Cybercab’s design as of March 9, 2025, here’s how it might address blocked cameras:

1. System Design and Redundancy

  • Camera-Based Vision: The Cybercab, like other Tesla vehicles, uses a suite of external cameras (likely eight or more, similar to Hardware 4-equipped models) for 360-degree perception. It lacks LIDAR or radar, relying solely on cameras and AI to interpret the environment.
  • Overlap and Redundancy: Tesla’s camera layout includes overlapping fields of view (e.g., front, side, and rear cameras), which could allow the system to compensate for a single blocked camera by relying on others. For example, if a side repeater camera is obstructed, the front or B-pillar cameras might still provide sufficient data for navigation.
  • Limits of Redundancy: However, if multiple cameras or critical ones (e.g., forward-facing cameras) are blocked, the system’s ability to function degrades significantly, as it cannot “see” key areas like the road ahead or traffic signals.

2. Response to Obstructions

  • Detection and Alerts: Current FSD-equipped Teslas detect camera obstructions (e.g., dirt, snow, glare) and display warnings like “Camera blocked or blinded” on the touchscreen. The Cybercab, designed for unsupervised autonomy, would likely have a similar detection mechanism but would need to act autonomously rather than prompting a human driver.
  • Degraded Operation: If a non-critical camera is blocked, the Cybercab might continue operating in a degraded mode, adjusting its behavior (e.g., slowing down, avoiding lane changes) based on remaining camera inputs. Posts on X and user reports from FSD suggest that Tesla’s system can sometimes tolerate minor obstructions, but this is untested at scale for a fully autonomous vehicle.
  • Full Disablement: If critical cameras (e.g., front-facing triad) are blocked, the Cybercab would likely stop safely and refuse to proceed. Tesla’s FSD currently disengages or won’t engage when visibility is severely compromised, and the Cybercab—lacking manual controls—would have no fallback beyond halting. Musk has emphasized safety, claiming autonomous vehicles will be “10-20 times safer” than human-driven ones, so stopping would align with that priority.

3. Autonomous Mitigation Strategies

  • Self-Cleaning Systems: While not explicitly confirmed for the Cybercab, Tesla has explored camera-cleaning tech (e.g., patents for air jets or wipers). The Cybercab’s inductive charging hubs might include automated cleaning stations, as suggested during the October 2024 “We, Robot” event, where Musk hinted at robotic maintenance. If a camera is blocked mid-trip, however, no onboard cleaning solution has been detailed yet.
  • Route Adjustment: The Cybercab could reroute to a hub or safe location if it detects persistent camera issues, using remaining functional cameras to navigate cautiously. This aligns with Tesla’s vision of a managed fleet, though real-time execution remains speculative.
  • Remote Intervention: Posts on X from the Cybercab unveiling suggest Tesla employees used controllers during demos, hinting at a possible remote override or teleoperation fallback. For a blocked camera scenario, a remote operator could guide the vehicle to a safe spot, though this isn’t scalable for a large fleet and wasn’t officially confirmed as a feature.

4. Real-World Challenges

  • Environmental Factors: Blocked cameras due to snow, mud, or vandalism pose a bigger challenge for the Cybercab than for supervised FSD vehicles, where a driver can intervene. Competitors like Waymo use LIDAR and radar as backups, giving them an edge in low-visibility conditions (e.g., fog, heavy rain), which Tesla’s camera-only system struggles with, per NHTSA investigations into FSD crashes.
  • No Human Fallback: Unlike current FSD-equipped cars, the Cybercab has no driver to clean cameras or take over. If all cameras are obstructed (e.g., in a blizzard), the vehicle would be immobilized until externally cleared, a vulnerability Musk hasn’t publicly addressed for robotaxi operations.

5. Tesla’s Stated Approach

  • Musk’s Optimism: At the Cybercab unveiling, Musk didn’t directly discuss camera blockages but emphasized AI’s ability to handle complex scenarios, trained on billions of miles of driving data. He suggested the system’s robustness would exceed human capability, implying confidence in managing partial failures.
  • Unsupervised FSD Precedent: Tesla plans to roll out unsupervised FSD on Model 3 and Model Y in Texas and California in 2025, per the October 2024 earnings call. How these vehicles handle camera obstructions will preview the Cybercab’s approach. Current FSD halts or degrades when cameras fail, suggesting the Cybercab might follow suit but with automated recovery (e.g., stopping and signaling for help).

Likely Outcome

When cameras are blocked, the Cybercab will likely:

  1. Attempt to Proceed: Use overlapping camera data to operate cautiously if the blockage is partial and non-critical.
  2. Stop Safely: Halt in a safe location (e.g., roadside) if critical cameras are obstructed, awaiting external assistance (e.g., fleet maintenance or remote intervention).
  3. Seek Maintenance: Navigate to a hub for cleaning if feasible, though this depends on enough functional cameras to reach it.

Unanswered Questions

  • Scalability: How will Tesla manage thousands of Cybercabs stopping due to blocked cameras in adverse weather? The infrastructure (hubs, remote ops) is still conceptual.
  • Regulatory Hurdles: The NHTSA is probing Tesla’s camera-only FSD for low-visibility crashes (e.g., October 2024 investigation into 2.4 million vehicles). Regulators may demand backups like LIDAR before approving a robotaxi without controls.

Conclusion

The Cybercab’s handling of blocked cameras builds on current FSD logic—degraded operation or safe stopping—but its lack of manual controls and reliance on cameras alone amplify the stakes. Tesla’s betting on AI resilience and fleet management (e.g., cleaning hubs) to mitigate this, but real-world tests (beyond controlled demos) and regulatory scrutiny will determine its viability. Without detailed solutions from Tesla yet, it’s a known weakness competitors like Waymo address with diverse sensors, leaving the Cybercab’s approach promising but unproven.

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Blame it on the Baby Boomers for the slowdown in Green tech growth?

Peter Zeihan outlines how the retirement of the baby boomers impacts how the financing of new energy infrastructure investments changed the dynamic and less about Trump and the challenges of building Green tech. Worth a watch.

Will Trump Pump the Brakes on Greentech? || Peter Zeihan

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New Ad from BMW promoting IONNA Rechargery Network

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ID.Buzz All I wanted in a Van, but cannot have, yet.

I really wanted a van that was electric and when I first saw the ID buzz, I fell in love . I watched it progressed through the development, seen it in quite a few reviews before the US release and thought this is it, but then came to harsh reality of VW electrification. The prices for this thing are out of sight, to coin a phrase from the 60s. The range is so so, the final product features are better than when it was first proposed, so here’s to hoping that they can get the cost of batteries down and VW doesn’t go belly up. Let’s keep dreaming.

Here is a more in-depth review. https://www.theautopian.com/the-volkswagen-id-buzz-is-great-except-for-one-huge-problem/

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How will the suspending of the NEVI funding effect EV car adoption ?

Some news reports.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-states-stop-spending-ev-charging-infrastructure

US government spending on charging infrastructure is poised to have a significant impact on the EV market, with both positive and potentially challenging effects:

Increased Adoption:

  • Reduced Range Anxiety: A robust and accessible charging network alleviates “range anxiety,” a major barrier to EV adoption.1 Drivers are more likely to consider EVs if they know they can easily find charging stations, especially on long journeys.
  • Convenience: Widespread charging infrastructure makes owning an EV more convenient, comparable to owning a gasoline car. This encourages more people to switch to EVs.

Market Growth:

  • Increased EV Sales: As charging becomes more accessible, demand for EVs will likely increase, driving growth in the EV market.2
  • Infrastructure Development: Government investment will stimulate private investment in charging infrastructure, leading to a rapid expansion of the network.3
  • Job Creation: The construction, installation, and maintenance of charging stations will create numerous jobs in related industries.4

Technological Advancements:

  • Innovation: Investment in charging infrastructure can spur innovation in charging technology, leading to faster charging times, more efficient charging solutions, and potentially even wireless charging.5
  • Standardization: Government involvement can help standardize charging protocols and connector types, making it easier for EV owners to use different charging networks.6

Challenges:

  • Equity and Accessibility: Ensuring equitable access to charging infrastructure in underserved communities and rural areas is crucial.7
  • Grid Capacity: Increased EV adoption will put a strain on the existing power grid.8 Upgrades and investments in grid capacity will be necessary.
  • Cost and Funding: Building a nationwide charging network is expensive.9 Continued government support and private investment will be essential.
  • Maintenance and Reliability: Ensuring that charging stations are properly maintained and reliable is crucial for user satisfaction.10

Overall, government spending on charging infrastructure is a critical step towards widespread EV adoption. It addresses a major barrier to EV ownership and paves the way for a cleaner and more sustainable transportation future.

From Gemini AI

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How to follow National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Awards updates

Here is a site to follow the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Awards Dashboard

https://evstates.org/awards-dashboard/

The NEVI Awards Dashboard tracks electric vehicle (EV) charging sites funded by states through the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program. The State NEVI Action tab shows progress states have made in implementing the NEVI program. The Award Data page provides a comprehensive look at awards announced and site-specific details, whereas the Analysis page allows an in-depth comparison of specific features of the site.

The data represented in this dashboard is based on either information provided directly from the state or taken from publicly available sources. Any discrepancies between the data displayed in this Dashboard and data provided directly by the Joint Office of Energy and Transportation elsewhere is due to slightly different data sources and/or update schedules and should be minor. The Methodology section below the dashboard has more detail about source and frequency of updates.

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To Ev or Not to EV

Sometimes the best laid ( not really ) plans have a wrinkle.

Sabine Hossenfelder lays out the trouble of moving to0 fast and how dependencies need to be considered.

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Stealing cables, the third world has arrived.

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/seattle-thieves-targeting-ev-charging-stations-has-reached-epidemic-proportions

As bad as it is in some areas to get a charge, this is something that has to be addressed to achieve wide spread adoption.

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ChargePoint and Airbnb Partner to Enable Seamless EV Charging

https://www.chargepoint.com/about/news/chargepoint-and-airbnb-partner-enable-seamless-ev-charging

This make a lot of sense.

“With Airbnb, we are enabling more EV charging for drivers where they need it and helping Airbnb hosts appeal to more travelers by delivering a frictionless charging experience for their guests,” said Rick Wilmer, CEO at ChargePoint. “Through this partnership, we have created an innovative model to deliver integrated charging solutions and services.”

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Is this the first wave of dealer pushback on the Ev Mandates?

Great article on the dealers concerns from Electrek, or just trying to make a buck?

Ford loses nearly 400 participants from its EV dealer program

Peter Johnson | Nov 27 2023 – 2:52 pm PT

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